Ep. 128 - Breaking Generational Cycles and Healing from Trauma, Grief, Postpartum Anxiety and Pregnancy Depression to Building a Life (and Business) Fueled by Passion with Christine McAlister
**Trigger Warning: In this episode we talk about her experience with the loss of a child, stillbirth, and miscarriages.**
Christine McAlister is passionate about helping impact-driven entrepreneurs attract their next clients by being value-driven podcast guests.
She and her clients have generated over $1 million as podcast guests, and she’s has been recognized as the best in the world at podcast guesting by 7-figure founders.
A media expert for 2 decades, she's helped broadcast the Olympic Games, produced an award-winning documentary for PBS, and has been featured in Inc., Business Insider, Bustle, The Huffington Post and on over 100 podcasts, in addition to hosting her top-rated show No One’s Ever Asked Me That.
Christine is also a mom of 3 – 2 earth side babies and 1 in heaven.
In this episode, Christine and I chatted about…
The evolution of her belief system and spirituality from being raised in a super Christian family to becoming a generation breaker and questioning the norms of what a female’s role in her family looks like
What drove her out of the hole and emerge and get out of bed after her stillbirth
Dealing with postpartum anxiety, pregnancy depression and grief
How to be an advocate for your own health
How to build your support system and cultivate relationships with other moms
The idea of “remembering” and clearing generational trauma and limiting beliefs
How she uses of somatic body based work to heal
Using breathwork and meditation with her kids
How she’s structuring her business to exist around her kids school hours
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Website: www.lifewithpassion.com
IG: @lifewpassion
Podcast: No One’s Ever Asked Me That
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Ep. 128 - Christine McAlister Transcript
[00:00:00] Stephanie: Welcome to the mommy pod.
Welcome back to Mommy's on a Call Today. I'm super excited to bring to you kind of an old friend, Christine McAllister. Christine is passionate about helping impact driven entrepreneurs attract their next clients by being value driven podcast guests. Over the years, she's generated over a million dollars as podcast guests, and she's been recognized as the best in world at podcast guesting by seven figure founders.
She's a media expert for over two decades and has helped broadcast the Olympics, produce an award-winning documentary and has been featured an Ink Business, insider bustle. I mean, the list goes on. And she's also been on hundreds of podcasts, including Entrepreneurs on Fire, which John Lee Douma, in addition to hosting her top rated show.
No one's ever asked me that. So welcome, Christine.
[00:01:42] Christine: Thank you so much for having me, Stephanie. I am. Thrilled.
[00:01:46] Stephanie: I'm super excited and on top of it all, I forgot to mention, she is also a mom, so of course. But I wanted to kick this off with asking, what is your biggest mom win of the week?
[00:01:56] Christine: O, that is a great question.
I'm gonna have to think about that. Discovering that my daughters really like to sing along to the CD that my parents gave them, and that they actually will sing in unison. Super duper enjoy it. It's a veggie tails cd, like number one, I don't buy CDs. Number two, I forgot to, did you not a CD player? A CD player.
No. In the car. Oh, I forgot about that. They brought it over and like taking the girls to school, it just became like this really peaceful thing and it was really adorable and like sweet and uh, just very different than how that ride normally goes. And so, Super happy .
[00:02:38] Stephanie: Now I can't get outta my head. Veggie details.
Veggie details, Nope. Although my kids actually have never watched that, but I remember that even like when I was a teenager or whatnot. Yeah. So do they sing? Are they, you know, into that or is it just something that's been newly discovered?
[00:02:55] Christine: They, I think got some level of performing gene from me. I love to perform.
I love to speak, I love to be on stage and, uh, I was the theater nerd and they have started doing what I did as a kid, which is like putting on shows and lining up people, as many people as they can, and probably also some stuffed animals and then like dancing and singing and doing shows. So yeah. Aw.
[00:03:22] Stephanie: Well, on that note, to give the audience a little bit of context, how many children do you have their ages, and what are kind of the roles that you and your partner play in parenting and the house?
[00:03:35] Christine: Oh, great question. So this is, yeah, this is a fascinating kind of, I guess, exploration, but, uh, I, so trigger warning, I. Two kiddos, earth side and one in heaven, which we can dive into if you want. And I have two little living girls, three and six. And for me and how I'm wired, it's pretty full on. So, , their dad has a very traditional nine to five.
Always has, and I've always been very entrepreneurial. And so since becoming a mom, this business is like, kind of has the, added pressure isn't the right word, but I'll use it, of also being somewhat of a legacy project for my late daughter to keep her memory alive.
And so my work is deeply important to me and I've, and continued to confront a lot of the norms that I was brought up with around what it means to be a good female, a good mother, and to me, figuring all of that out. Figuring out how to parent, how to be present is. The hardest thing I've ever done.
So I'm an oldest married to a baby, so the baby knows how to play the baby chills when he's off the clock. Right. And mommy's always on a call in my head. Let's be honest. You know?
[00:04:58] Stephanie: Exactly. I do wanna touch on your first child. But before I do that, you mentioned something about, you know, your upbringing and your norms and stuff. And so explain to me, go a little deeper into what that meant. I know I've seen, but the audience doesn't know that, you know, you grew up in a very traditional Christian family.
Yeah. And so I wanna kind of tap into that cuz there are a lot of moms too that are exploring differences in spirituality, differences in beliefs, and. Talk to me about, you know, what your pre, I guess, mom life or your upbringing to like where you are today in terms of, you know, your belief system.
[00:05:38] Christine: Yeah.
This, this is a great question because it's, Very much evolving and really has evolved the most through the lens of of my big tea trauma. I grew up, yeah, in church, every time the doors open. I grew up in purity culture. I grew up thinking like that. If I was the best Christian and the best member of purity culture and the best high achiever, whatever, then some.
I picked up that that was gonna give me a good life, a happy life, right? Like just win at, at all of those things. And so I said about doing that and did everything that I could really to, to play by those rules was actually like a pretty like uptight, judgmental kind of person, black and white type of, type of human. Um, kind of like. 80 year old, 16 year old. Right. Like the fuddyduddy.
So I played by all the rules, did everything quote unquote, right. Right. And it really, it wasn't until I lost my first daughter that I went, what am I doing? And I really started to question everything because I knew that figuring all this stuff out for myself was gonna be the key to, to surviving that loss. As opposed to the pat answers that I was getting, which didn't sit with me.
So I grew up with a dad in corporate and a mom who was climbing the corporate ladder until I was born and then came home because that's what they believed was right and the best.
And so I just had this realization Sunday, so this is, oh wow, this like hot off the press that I have not had a model in my life, a female model any generation that I know of, my lineage, my ancestry, who was financially independent and or made more than a teacher's salary.
[00:07:30] Stephanie: Wow. So you're the generation breaker.
[00:07:34] Christine: Yeah. Wow. And it has been incredibly difficult, incredibly difficult to challenge all of those norms, right. Of, of, of the history. But recognizing, oh, maybe this is part of why it's so hard, is actually helpful.
To me.
[00:07:50] Stephanie: Right. How are those people accepting of kind of your path that you took and were you ever intending, once you had, you know, your first had everything gone as planned? Yeah. Were you going to, you know, quit working, do all that? Like a lot of us faced with that decision of becoming a mom, becoming a mom of 1, 2, 3, and realizing like, huh, maybe this isn't working for me anymore, but not sure that the next step of staying home is gonna be fulfilling, but also not sure kind of what to do.
So how did you, you know, and, and also external pressures, oh my gosh, of what's expected of you and then coming for you. Like for me it's the Asian culture that was, you know, imposed on me. But for you, same thing, kind of like religion and beliefs.
So, you know, how did you go about that?
[00:08:36] Christine: It is, it is still an undoing. And I just said to one of my coaches who was using the butterfly metaphor with me, I was like, well, you know what? I do feel like I've been put in a blender and don't caterpillars liquefy themselves when they come out as this beautiful butterfly.
So let's just see what comes outta the blender. Right? So no illusions that, you know, because I run a business like Right, it's awesome. Like, I really, really have deeply struggled with this.
When my first living daughter was born six years ago, I dealt with constant guilt, constant guilt. No matter what I was doing, I couldn't really give myself permission at that time to take a break from the business.
I was too scared. I would tank it, and I couldn't really give myself permission to be in the room with her when I was with her. Because I was too scared to not be working. And I mean, that drove me to burnout. That drove me to overwhelm a lot of this. A lot of my lessons, I feel like to learn are trust and being like the complete opposite of how I've been rewarded for behaving in my life, both by myself and others. Right.
But to answer your question about like how have people perceived it, it's been mixed. Like I think some of it is, frankly, people might be scared to give me their opinion because after Mave died, I was just like, I'm done being a P like. At a level being a people pleaser, being codependent, being the nice girl, like, y'all gonna have to figure your stuff out cuz I'm not sure I'm getting outta bed today.
[00:10:08] Stephanie: So that's really interesting and I want to touch on that is that you took all of these things, you, you know, you've been talking about different stuff and you took it into your own hands and you made positive changes, versus some people could crawl into the hole, become molten lava and never emerge as a butterfly.
Instead, they could become, I don't know, metaphor, dirt, or whatnot, and you took it to something different. What was that, that you think fueled it and like, you know, what could other people do or where, where did you look for. Source of not inspiration, but just you know, within yourself. What was that like?
[00:10:44] Christine: I think it was at least twofold.
I think number one, I realized that I had been living and playing super small out of fear, and I couldn't imagine anything worse happening that I could be more afraid of. Than this. Like, I would much rather have died if I could trade places with her. So there was that, it was like, am I really gonna keep worrying about what other people think when now I have this label on my head of being a girl with a dead baby and I have to renegotiate every relationship in my life anyway.
Right. And then also, I, I really became aware that this, this was, this was the fork in the road for me, that this ends a lot of people. And, I mean, I don't believe in ranking grief, but I did find comfort in this. Someone told me early on like, psychiatrists ranked this as the worst loss you can experience because it's backwards.
Because she, I didn't, I don't have any memories with her, right. Except whatever she did or didn't do. And I was pregnant with her and I was super sick. So I was like not having, not living my best life during those nine months anyway. And I was like, I'm either gonna lock myself in a room and numb out for the rest of my life.
And I get why people do it. I get it. I don't judge it. That could very easily be me or I'm going to create something because that's the only way I know to parent her. I'm gonna use this as a reason to do some good in the world, to play big and hopefully make her proud, right? Because I don't want people to forget her and.
And this gets to be a passion project. I mean, that's, that's really how it started. The survival and then leaning into this, like I've, I knew all along that I was meant to do something big, but I was comfortable enough. Not to do it until that happened
[00:12:40] Stephanie: and the universe gave you a why
[00:12:42] Christine: exactly. And I could, you could make meaning whatever, meaning you want out of anything.
But in, and part of my searching, one of one of the understandings that I came to to touch on, like my spiritual journey as you mentioned, is like I believe that one of her roles was to wake me up and so what am I gonna do with that?
[00:13:05] Stephanie: Right. Wow. Ugh. And I was gonna say, I know there was probably like an elephant in the room because we didn't really touch on what happened. I don't really need to go into too many details because people can look at your hundreds of other podcast interviews where you do, but just like a brief thing to give the audience a little bit of context about surrounding your first child.
[00:13:25] Christine: Yeah. So I had had, um, infertility and P c o S, three early miscarriages and then had, you know, taken fertility drugs, had a perfect pregnancy with her.
For her, not for me. I was very sick. My body and pregnancy are not, Best friends. I do not glow. I throw up the whole time.
[00:13:45] Stephanie: Was it IVF or, I'm just curious because I had P C O S, I went through the whole fertility thing also, but I ended up not having to do ivf, so I'm curious.
[00:13:55] Christine: Yeah. The ironic thing that the specialist told me was, well, Christine, like after the miscarriages, well we know that you can get pregnant.
Yeah, we just need, which is pregnant . Yeah, so, so I, it was, it was just medications and. To your point, like what you're doing, which I'm so excited that you're doing it to, to this holistic idea of wellness. I had a healer who I worked with after my six year old, cuz I got extreme postpartum anxiety and it was like crippling and debilitating and it was my hormones doing what they do.
And we work together, met my hormones, made some food and whatever changes, and I had a regular period. For the first time since I was probably 15. Wow. So over 20 years. And then I got pregnant with a three year old without any drugs. And I have a regular period.
[00:14:48] Stephanie: I do, yes. My third was a total accident. I mean, I feel like bad saying that.
Okay. So I hope she doesn't listen in the future. I was at 11 months postpartum with my second and thought to be my last. I thought I was gonna have to, right. I had a boy, I had a girl. You know, we had them three years apart. It was like the perfectly planned thing and especially cuz I was using fertility drugs.
So it's like I perfectly planned it at like 11 months. I somehow got pregnant but didn't know for eight weeks because I hadn't had actually a period yet because I was breastfeeding and I thought my hormones were all over the place. And I mean, honestly, I didn't even think we had sex because I was all over the place.
So yeah, when I found out like. I didn't feel good and found out I was pregnant. My husband's first comment was, I thought your your uterus was broken. I was like, I thought so too, but, and now she's like the best, but also the craziest of our three . But anyway, to your point, it's like your body suddenly figures it out.
It's like, oh yeah, I can do this. It, it's like training.
[00:15:49] Christine: It's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing.
[00:15:52] Stephanie: So anyway, so back to your story, . I'm sorry.
[00:15:55] Christine: No, it's great.
[00:15:56] Stephanie: You were saying that you had a healer.
[00:15:58] Christine: Yeah. So were able to like whatever we need to do to support my body so that it could heal itself, you know? Right. Which I think like, The alternative stuff.
I mean, the doctors told me I would never have a regular period. The doctors told me I would, they weren't sure if I could get pregnant, right? And this, that's gonna be your lot in life. But like what, you know, from alternative, you know, wellness and ways to, to support that is like, that's just not true. And so I have a huge passion and belief in, in what you're doing because healthcare is not designed for women and we, we need more awesome empower experts to, to change that. So thank you.
[00:16:37] Stephanie: Well, and then back to, I was gonna say your story. So you were, I read some, you were 37 weeks pregnant and you went into labor after a perfect pregnancy.
[00:16:47] Christine: I went to one of my last doctor's appointments and there was no heartbeat. That's how I found out, like, The car seat was in the car, it was two days after our, like, weekend of baby showers where everyone had, you know, come in, flown in, driven in whatever.
And uh, yeah, we went to the doctor and put the, put the sonogram on and you couldn't find it and you know, this is a full term baby. Yeah. Not hard to find the heartbeat at that point. Right.
[00:17:17] Stephanie: Did you have any like internal gut feelings at all, or no? I'm curious if you were like in touch with that. You know,
[00:17:24] Christine: I wasn't, I was, I was pretty, I was very challenged by pregnancy cuz I was so sick.
I became, I got, I had very bad pregnancy depression, and. I was terrified that I was going to be a terrible mother. I hadn't figured out like my role in like work versus baby and you know, it's first one and all the things. I didn't, I had not really have support for any of that. So most of it was internal and, and I also resisted all of the people telling me that I needed to control my body in the following ways.
All of the rules. I hated the rules, and basically just set out to like disband or break down each and every one of. Because I thought it was BS and I was tired of being treated like. Uh, a member of a herd of cattle, right? Like going through this assembly line is my perception.
And then I also was like, I was really tired after those showers, and so I had noticed that she was quiet, but I was like, not doing the militant kick counting thing, like I was doing hypno babies and they were like, if you wanna do it intuitively you can. And that resonated with me more. Right. And so, , I was like, I'm tired. Baby's gotta be tired, right? So, I, I, I didn't really have a sense cuz I wasn't hypervigilant like I was for the following two, where I was like, I'm going to the ER because it's been one minute.
You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, and, and, and they're gonna admit me. quite an advocate for myself.
[00:18:54] Stephanie: No, that's actually a good point, is to be a good advocate for yourself. I feel like in healthcare right now, that's something you really need. And actually to touch on that like. I felt off after my third pregnancy and my PT, who I was going to literally kept telling me, maybe you should journal more because I think you're just holding up like stress or something.
Cuz I was having pains and she's like, I think these are like not phantom pains, but I don't think anything's wrong with you. No. I had 10 centimeter sized tumors on my ovaries. So to your point, you really need to advocate for yourself and don't like be afraid to be that person who's like in the ER because you just never know.
But you were saying about support and I think that's like important for moms, you know, to have your support system. What does that look like now many years later?
[00:19:42] Christine: Yeah. I have learned to really cultivate relationships with other moms to run. Advice, whether it's coaching or strategy or any of that through the lens of like, do they have any idea what my life is like?
And if not, to be frank, I'm not really available for it. And so that's looked like a variety of coaches and therapists and I mean, healers for me, healers for the girls. Natural, all, all the different remedies, like I'm just here for all of it. I think I love it, but the thing that, it's so fun, we can totally jam out on that.
[00:20:21] Stephanie: I was gonna say, I love it because like you're so open-minded about everything and I feel like a lot of people are stuck. You said in that sort of routine, this is the way it's supposed to be done. So I love that, you know, you've embraced different aspects and are trying
[00:20:36] Christine: things. You know, what really resonates with me, and I'm curious if it resonates with you, is this whole idea of, remembering.
Right. So we're remembering essentially these natural remedies. All of this stuff were taught in medical schools right alongside pharmaceuticals until like a hundred years ago as being as efficacious as taking a pill. Right? And they're, you know, Rockefeller came in and decided, Hey, how can we get petroleum and how can we create more verticals and pull all the natural stuff out of med schools, threaten to If you don't, if you don't pull that curriculum, we're pulling your funding. Right. We had the power to do it. Right.
[00:21:14] Stephanie: It's all about, yeah. Well I said healthcare's all about money now, which is exactly like, it's
[00:21:19] Christine: a business. It's a business. Cause capitalism,
[00:21:22] Stephanie: I know when I was like, all I wanna do is help people like, help people get better.
Right. But I think on remembering, another like thing that makes me think of though is also, remember. Generational. Kind of like whether it's trauma or stuff that's happened. I think for me, I've learned a lot about my own kind of past, not like, I mean previous, like generations above me of things that might have happened or reasons that, why now I'm carrying this, like carrying these things.
And so it's interesting cuz I feel like you said you're breaking, breaking the habits of generations. I feel like doing this work does help do that and stop so that your children don't inherit this. So that's very interesting.
[00:22:06] Christine: Oh my gosh. Like all the limiting beliefs that I'm working on clearing and like Yeah.
The stuff that's somehow in my dna Right. That it, I never have experienced a perception of, of, of real. Around money, scarcity, those types of things. Like that has not been my experience. I'm very grateful to be able to say that. And my nervous system operates like I am one of my around money. Like I am one of my ancestors who had to eat dirt during the potato famine.
Huh. Like legit. Wow. And so there is so much work that I've been doing over the last seven and a half years around creating a sense of safety because that very much exists, even though it hasn't in my lifetime.
[00:22:55] Stephanie: That's so fascinating. So I guess on that point, like are there any practices or I, I mean I guess I can call them self-care or like things that you do daily for yourself in order to kind of like nourish that, nourish yourself, bring you more like, make you a better mom, wife, business owner, all of that. Like, are there any practices that you do daily?
[00:23:17] Christine: You know, I, I like to mix it up because if I start putting, like this has gotta be the same thing every day on my calendar, then I rebel against my own structure.
[00:23:25] Stephanie: You don't like to be in a box
[00:23:27] Christine: which is great and very helpful, but I, I know more what I think and what I feel when I write about it.
Um, when I talk about. And so processing in those two ways, I have a very active mind that loves to spin things up. So getting them out,
[00:23:49] Stephanie: I guess, what are your top, top three things you enjoy doing?
[00:23:52] Christine: Yeah, so totally. So journaling, right? Writing. Writing about it. Talking about it.
I would say also having done mindset work for so long, like really leaning into this, this somatic body based stuff. Getting out of my head into my body, whether that's through, I used to be the kind of person that was like, if I'm not gonna be sweating in a hardcore cardio session, then what's the plan of working out like yoga right now, I'm really leaning into like all the trauma informed things that I've learned around getting into my body, moving to move the cortisol and the adrenaline through right, and, and embracing the, the simpler things like that that actually.
Actually really help instead of just sitting there being like, no, I need to think better.
[00:24:39] Stephanie: Yeah. Do you do any sort of like anything with your kids too, in terms of, , like practices instill in them?
[00:24:47] Christine: Yeah, so I just discovered last night, my kids go to a Montessori school, and I just discovered last night that in my six year old's new classroom, every Friday they do a meditation.
[00:24:56] Stephanie: Oh, wow.
[00:24:57] Christine: And apparently there's a deck. And she said, we lay on the floor and the teacher pulls a card and reads and we do what's on the card. And I was like, ok, thank you Montessori, I love you event more.
But then my daughter, I, maybe she saw this on tv, but she sat in like the lotus position with her fingers. Her, you know, thumb and forefinger index, finger touching.
And she said to her younger sister, like, here, let's sit like this and meditate. And I was sitting behind them like beaming with pride because I didn't teach them that. But we do, , bedtime meditations. On Insight Timer.
[00:25:32] Stephanie: Favorite one that you use on Insight Timer? Ooh, there's so many. It's like thousands. I get overwhelmed by it, so I'm curious.
[00:25:38] Christine: I know. Yeah. I kind of go with the, I let them choose. Okay. So I think it's usually based on the picture, but you typically, like, I think there's the unicorn. There's one about unicorns that tends to be really popular in my house, and I think it's called the Unicorn Sleepover. Mm. So you can check that one out.
And then I. Learned also from Insight Timer. You know how in through your nose, out through your mouth is like an activator for your. For your to calm your fight or flight. Yes. Your parasympathetic somebody I nervous system. I always get it wrong.
Yes. It's the parasympathetic nervous, what I mean sympathetic.
And so I was
[00:26:14] Stephanie: like, I'm sympathetic. Fight or flight. Parasympathetic is the calming one
[00:26:19] Christine: backwards to me cuz sympathetic anyway sounds like, oh, sympathy. So I need to just remember it's the opposite Christina, of what you say. Yes. So they call it dragon breath. Ah. So I got the three year old to start breathing that way after trying to, you know, with ration.
To explain to her, nah, she could care less, but I was like, let's breathe like a dragon to do it all day long.
[00:26:40] Stephanie: That's awesome. I gonna have to try that because I was like, we tried that. I tried to like breathe in through or like, you know, with a straw and out like a balloon. Mm-hmm. . But like that kind of hit or miss.
I'm gonna have to try the dragon one
[00:26:53] Christine: dragon. Try the dragon.
[00:26:54] Stephanie: So I was curious about you, this was your why, you, you want to leave a legacy, where are you at in your business now? And like, you know how, cuz I, your company was life with passion and now it all kind of, all the pieces go together to make sense, you know?
How has your business evolved over the years and where are you at now especially being a mom, mom with two kids at home.
[00:27:17] Christine: Oh my gosh. Yeah. So where I, what I'm working toward right now is having a, a business that essentially exists during, they're gonna both be full time at the Montessori, uh, in January. So I to have it exist within those time parameters, um, while they're at school and, you know, that that has looked like.
Getting more support in terms of team and stuff like that. Then they say you should, because mommying. Right. So that, that has been huge and, and really learning ways to, to keep on dialing in like exactly what it is that we do to now. It's very, very niche and so I'm, I'm somebody who's a connector, so now I get to do this thing where I don't feel like there's a perceived competition with anyone.
I do one, I have one lane. And if you need help with something else, I probably know someone for it because I love people and relationships. Right. And so
[00:28:20] Stephanie: I feel like we're very similar in that .
[00:28:23] Christine: I know. I
[00:28:23] Stephanie: love connecting. That's my thing. I'm like, oh, do you know them? And them and them and
[00:28:28] Christine: Yes. . Yeah. And that's like, that's what I wanna model for the girls is like, You can have a business that's relational, you can have a business that isn't transactional like and eventually, you know, I love, I love speaking as we talked about, and so my grand vision is, is to be like consulting and speaking in person, taking them and like an educator on the road and world schooling them.
So it might start over the summers, you know, a little bit at a time. But really being able to model this idea of not just moms working in the basement, helping people, not that that's a just, but like, let's model how you do this on your own terms. So consulting and really like doing that with leaders so that.
Ripple effect. Right.
[00:29:11] Stephanie: Oh, that's incredible. Well, to wrap things up, I wanted to ask a couple last questions and like, what is one piece of advice that you think, you would offer to moms out there who might be on their beginning journeys, say, going off after becoming a mom and starting their own company?
What's one piece of advice you give to them on this journey of, you know, being kind of a working mom?
[00:29:34] Christine: I think it's to be very selective about who you listen. Especially in the online space, there's so much noise about what you should do and when you start out as, as it does, you, you, as we all do, you wanna model yourself after somebody, right?
Who, who has been there, done, that you feel like gets you, that is not going to be the loudest people or the people with the biggest ad budgets that you see. It's just not, and most of the highest, , earning income, net worth, high net worth individuals, income earners, entrepreneurs, large majority of them are supported by a stay at home spouse.
And so when you take their advice, you are setting yourself up for burnout and unsustainability. So you really, really, really encourage you. Find people who you feel like get you, who also get your stage of life because you can't, you know this, if you as a new mom, you can't possibly understand what it is like until you do it.
Nothing. I don't care if you were a nanny your whole life, nothing can prepare you for being a mom.
[00:30:38] Stephanie: Right, exactly. And then lastly, what do you think is the superpower that you gained once you became a mom that makes you better at business or life?
[00:30:49] Christine: Ooh, that is such a great question.
I think it was beginning to understand the power of choice. That we have it. I am still learning this lesson like on the daily, and it was the first time in my life that I went, I can choose how to look at this. I can choose the path, and I get to choose every single bit of this. And it is not fatalistic.
It is not predetermined. It is not this matrix that I grew up believing. It is so much bigger than. And I can choose like what to put my focus on.
[00:31:33] Stephanie: I love that because I think it put the power in you versus putting the power externally. And so I, that was kind of in my head. I was like, oh, that's where she shifted, you know, when she realized that instead of working with the power surrounding her, instead she took it into her own hands.
So that's amazing. Oh, I love this conversation. Christine. Thank you so much. Where can we find you online?
[00:31:58] Christine: Mm. So I know this is everywhere. Everywhere, but you know. Yeah. So I mean, my whole jam is like helping people be good podcast guests because I believe it's a tool for healing. Like ourselves in the world, like full stop.
And so probably the best, like one place that gets you into all the other places is a training I have on how to do that well, and it's at life with passion.com/profit and that will hook you into everywhere that I am if you wanna hang out.
[00:32:27] Stephanie: I know. I mean, she's like a podcast guest everywhere, but also teaches the most amazing things.
So if anyone's out there who does wanna be a podcast guest, definitely sign up for Christine's free training and check her out online. Thank you so much for everything. I loved our conversation and thank you for your time.
[00:32:45] Christine: Thank you for having me.
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